Showing posts with label Nanotyrannus. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Nanotyrannus. Show all posts

Thursday, March 19, 2026

I'm not touching Stygivenator.

So, Nanotyrannus is now a valid taxon. However, a weird new discussion seems to be. emerging. It's around Stygivenator. Now, I first heard of this taxonomic name in Longrich and Saitta (2024). Apparently, that paper suggested that some of the Nanotyrannus specimens were Stygivenator. This included BMRP 2002.4.1 (Jane"), NCSM 40000 (formerly the "Dueling Dinosaurs" specimen/"Bloody Jane"), LACM 28471, and a few others (pp. 50-51 Table 6). Paul (2025) regurgitated this argument (pp. 98, 118-119, and 128). Stygivenator was first named by Olshevsky and Ford (1995), and the holotype was LACM 28471 (p. 98). He also placed NCSM 40000 (formerly NCMNABM) as possibly being Stygivenator (pp. 118-119). Despite that, I believed that Stygivenator was a synonym of Nanotyrannus

Sancarlo and Paul (2025) (preprint) protested that, not only was Stygivenator a valid genus, but that other Nanotyrannus specimens should be categorized as Gilmorelarsontyrannus, and Elegansvenator... I'm sorry, but that's way too much.

When I contacted Sebastian Dalman to get his opinion on Nanotyrannus being valid again, he told me to wait for a new paper that he was a part of to come out. Now, Longrich et al., (2026) came out. Dalman is one of the authors. They described a new Tyrannosaurinae specimen, which could've even been a specimen of Tyrannosaurus sp. Cool! The origin of Tyrannosaurus seems to have come from "the Campanian-Maastrichtian of southern Laramidia," (Abstract, Material: Comparisons and Phylogenetic analysis, Discussion, para. 8-10 and 13; Figure 5). However, the authors also believe that Stygivenator was valid. In fact, Stygivenator was two species: S. lethaeus (Nanotyrannus lethaeus) and S. molnari. Interestingly, Nanotyrannus is a sister taxon to Stygivenator and Khankhuuluu. All of these taxa seem to be outside the tyrannosauridae clade, while the new tyrannosaurinae specimen is a sister taxon to Tyrannosaurus mcraensis and T. rex (Figure 5):
Longrich seems to be a huge fan of Stygivenator. I saw a blog post that he wrote stating that it was a valid taxon (Nick Longrich, Blog, 11/1/25, The Return[?] of Stygivenator). Aside from Stygivenator being valid, there are other points in that post that I do agree with. 

Now, this is my blog so what is my opinion on this matter? To be honest, I don't want to touch Stygivenator. I'm perfectly fine with Nanotyrannus being a valid taxon, and an eutyrannosaur. IF Stygivenator is valid, then fine. IF not, then fine. However, I want more specimens to be discovered and a very in-depth description detailing the apomorphies that separate Stygivenator from Nannotyrannus. As of right now, I'm placing Stygivenator as a synonym of Nanotyrannus. Do I believe that "There's absolutely no way that Stygivenator exists," as other people have already stated? No. I'll keep an open mind. Plus, I think we might discover new tyrannosauroid taxa that existed in the Late Maastrichtian of North America. I'm cautious about Stygivenator because we only have one complete specimen of Nanotyrannus. It clearly displays characteristics seen in other Nanotyrannus specimens. Let's not place it as a separate taxon before we find more specimens. I'm more swayed by having two species of Nanotyrannus, or three species of Dryptosaurus, being valid for now. Maybe the future will prove Stygivenator to be valid, but I'm going to wait this one out. I definitely do not believe that Gilmorelarsontyrannus, nor Elegansvenator, are valid.

Friday, December 5, 2025

(News) Nanotyrannus holotype was an adult (Griffin et al., 2025)!

Nanotyrannus (black) and Tyrannosaurus rex (red) by Andrey Atuchin (2025). Retrieved from Shelton (2025):

Nanotyrannus fans are eating good this year! My friend "Luke" notified me that Dr. Christopher Griffin's paper describing the Nanotyrannus holotype's age has officially been published. I contacted Griffin earlier this year, and he said that the paper was submitted for peer-review. Now, it's out! We officially have two specimens of Nanotyrannus that are adults!

Nanotyrannus/Dryptosaurus lancensis holotype CMNH 7541 (Dalman et al., 2018, p. 135 Figure 15D):

In their 2024 abstract, Griffin et al. said that the Nanotyrannus lancensis holotype, CMNH 7541, had an EFS (External Fundamental System) in its hyoid bone. This determined that the individual was mature when it died, and not a juvenile. Now, Griffin et al., (2025) provides us a figure showing the EFS in the hyoid (Figure 3):

Description:
The EFS is shown in the middle (B), and posterior/caudal (C), portions of the ceratobranchial/hyoid bone. It's possible that the EFS is located at the anterior/cranial area of the bone (A), but it's not entirely certain. The bone is damaged at the front. However, the EFS is present throughout the rest of the hyoid (pp. 2-3, Results: The ontogenetic status of Nanotyrannus lancensis type specimen). Other reptiles, but extant and extinct, contained EFS in their ceratobranchial bones as well. This includes a mature specimen of Coelophysis that has an EFS in its ceratobranchial, and femur. This indicates that the hyoid can be used to determine maturity (pp. 1-2, Results: Ceratobranchial histology in extant reptiles; Ceratobranchial histology in extinct dinosaurs; Figures 1-2).

Extant archosaurs with EFS in their ceratobranchial/hyoid bones (Figure 1):
Description:
Extinct archosaurs/dinosaurs (Figure 2):
Description:
Aside from the maturity of the specimen, the scholars hypothesize that CMNH might be different from BMRP 2002.4.1 ("Jane"), and a SWAU specimen. Heck, it might be another eutyrannosaur taxon. Speaking of, the scholars concluded that Nanotyrannus was an eutyrannosaurian. They laid out two hypotheses: that CMNH could've been a dwarf specimen of Tyrannosaurus, possibly a male; or, the specimen was an eutyrannosaurian. The scholars went with the latter hypothesis (p. 3, Results: The ontogenetic status of Nanotyrannus lancensis type specimen):
The SWAU specimen is the Nanotyrannus specimen SWAU HRS 08438 ("Zuri"). This specimen is immature (Supplementary Materials, p. 19 Figure S9). Another figure showing the EFS in CMNH 7541 can also be seen in the Supplementary Materials (p. 13 Figure S4B):
We now have two specimens of Nanotyrannus that were skeletally mature, or were borderline mature. The first is CMNH 7541 (Griffin et al., 2025), and the second is NCSM 40000 ("Bloody Mary") (Zanno and Napoli, 2025). Nanotyrannus has officially struck back, and it won twice. This makes me wonder if Stygimoloch, and Dracorex, were separate taxa from Pachycephalosaurus? I'm definitely not lumping Torosaurus into Triceratops until further evidence forces me to do so. Other dinosaur taxa previously studied more-than-likely suffered the same fate, so they should probably be re-examined too. Either way, lumping a taxon into a previously established one just because it's not fully grown may not always be the best method. I'm guilty of this myself, which is why I thought Nanotyrannus could've been Dryptosaurus aquilunguis back in 2022. Nowadays, I use the generic names Nanotyrannus or Dryptosaurus 
interchangeably, but I stick to the species names lancensis or lethaeus, for the animal.

Well. This was a great Christmas present! Happy holidays everyone!

Links:
Griffin et al., (2025):
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adx8706?fbclid=PAVERFWAOgC4FleHRuA2FlbQIxMABzcnRjBmFwcF9pZA8xMjQwMjQ1NzQyODc0MTQAAaeDc5JF0qycTqEA749YCOkRehMLbusYoDsHTA2XL-zYcYq3ANzssLHjTatoNg_aem_bnEV9_2W5YRextcMPVcdTA
Shelton (2025):
https://news.yale.edu/2025/12/04/teen-rex-no-more-new-study-agrees-nanotyrannus-separate-species
Griffin et al., (2024) (Abstract):
https://psdinosaurs.blogspot.com/2024/10/news-nanotyrannusdryptosaurus-lancensis.html
Zanno and Napoli (2025) (Abstract):
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-025-09801-6
Dalman et al., (2018):
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/328676947_TYRANNOSAURID_TEETH_FROM_THE_UPPER_CRETACEOUS_CAMPANIAN_TWO_MEDICINE_FORMATION_OF_MONTANA

Thursday, October 30, 2025

(News) Nanotyrannus specimen "Bloody Mary" was an adult, and Nanotyrannus was an Eutyrannosaur (Zanno and Napoli, 2025)!

Nanotyrannus pack attacking a juvenile Tyrannosaurus by Anthony Hutchings (2025) from Egan (2025):
It's over! Nanotyrannus is a valid species, and is a basal tyrannosauroid! Zanno and Napoli (2025) have uploaded a paper, albeit it's an "unedited version" of the paper that is still being edited. The paper is also behind a paywall (boo!), but the abstract is available on Nature. The "Bloody Mary" specimen of Nanotyrannus, cataloged as NCSM 40000, was "near somatically mature" in terms of age. It also shares characteristics to the holotype of Nanotyrannus lancensis, CMNH 7541, cementing it in the taxon. However, the two scholars throw a curve-ball in their abstract: there are TWO Nanotyrannus species: N. lancensis and N. lethaeus. We officially have two genera of tyrannosaurs coexisting at the end of the Cretaceous in North America (Abstract):
My boy "Luke" sent me a picture of the phylogenetic charts that have been posted on Twitter-X:

My friend on Discord downloaded the paper. Here's the full chart (Figure 6 [p. 38]): 
Description (pp. 18-19):
Aside from Moros flip-flopping between Eutyrannosauria (top) and Pantyrannosauria (bottom), you can see Nanotyrannus and Dryptosaurus being put in the eutyrannosaurian clade. This confirms the results of Longrich and Saitta (2024) and Paul (2025b). Interestingly, the Zanno and Napoli placed Dryptosaurus and Appalachiosaurus in the new Nanotyrannidae clade, named after Nanotyrannus. Since Dryptosaurus was named before Nanotyrannus, I would've gone with Dryptosauridae. Also, I still think calling the taxa Nanotyrannus/Dryptosaurus lancensis and Nanotyrannus/Dryptosaurus lethaeus are still valid taxonomic names. However, I don't care! I'm still elated by the news! More phylogenetic charts are listed in the Extended Data section. As for Moros being a sister taxon to Nanotyrannus in one phylogenetic chart but not in the second one, Zanno and Napoli said that Moros being the sister taxon occurred in the "MP implied weights." This does not occur in the "MP equal weights or BI," so the authors "do not recommend taxonomic action in response," (Phylogenetic Position of Nanotyrannus, para. 2). 

Phylogenetic charts 2 (Zanno and Napoli, 2025, Extended Data Figure 9 [p. 47]):
Description (p. 32):
Phylogenetic charts 3 (Zanno and Napoli, 2025, Extended Data Figure 10 [p. 48]):
Description (p. 32):
I want to make a quick note about "Stygiovenator." Paul (2025b) put NCSM 40000 in "Stygiovenator," but now this specimen is in Nanotyrannus lancensis (Zanno and Napoli, 2025, Discussion: A Skeletally Mature Nanotyrannus, para. 1 [p. 6]; Figures 1 and 2 [pp. 17, and 33-34]). BMRP 2002.4.1 ("Jane") is in N. lethaeus (Discussion: A Skeletally Mature Nanotyrannus, para. 1 [p. 6]; Figure 1 [pp. 17 and 33]). Interestingly, BMRP 2006.4.4 ("Petey") is called Nanotyrannus sp. (Discussion: A Skeletally Mature Nanotyrannus, para. 1 [p. 6]). I'm putting "Stygiovenator" as a synonym of Nanotyrannus lancensis. Also contrary to Paul (2025b), the specimen KUVP 156375 doesn't belong in Tyrannosaurus. Zanno and Napoli (2025) placed it in Nanotyrannus lancensis (Phylogenetic Position of 
Nanotyrannus, para. 1; Figure 6). I don't blame Paul for that. KUVP was considered to be a juvenile Tyrannosaurus some time ago in an abstract from the Society of Vertebrate Paleontology (SVP).

As for its age, Zanno and Napoli stated that NCSM "had begun" an "incipient EFS (external fundamental system) development along the majority of the circumferential section, but had not yet fully ceased skeletal growth at the time of death." The animal seems to have been about, or greater than, 14 years old (A Skeletally Mature Nanotyrannus, para. 2). However, the specimen could've been about 26 or older (Supplementary Material, Interpreting Annual Growth Cycles, para. 2 [p. 29]). Napoli said the specimen was about 20-22 years old (YouTube, Skeleton Crew, We Ended the Greatest Debate in Paleontology..., 10:58-11:06). In total, NCSM is about 14-26 years old! The scholars continued to state that "N. lancensis reached skeletal maturity at ~700 kg." N. lethaeus would've reached 1,264 kg at maturity (Zanno and Napoli, 2025, A Skeletally Mature Nanotyrannus, para. 4). The EFS markers can be seen in Figure 3.

NCSM 40000 with two EFS (External Fundamental Systems) in its femur and tibia (Figure 3 [p. 35]):
Description (p. 18):
I found a picture showing the arm of NCSM 40000 compared to Tyrannosaurus' (Egan, 2025):
I think the Tyrannosaurus arm belongs to either the specimens MOR 980, or FMNH PR 2081. This is Figure 5 in the paper (p. 37):
Description (p. 18):
The Tyrannosaurus forelimb belongs to FMNH PR 2081.

Zanno and Napoli also reiterated what I said about the eutyrannosaurs migrating from Appalachia to Laurasia, and that the two continents were connected in the Late Cretaceous (Implications of Nanotyrannus Validity, para. 4; Figure 6). The specimen BMRP 2002.4.1 ("Jane") is the holotype of Nanotyrannus lethaeus, and that species was larger than N. lancensis (Systematic Paleontology [p. 6]; Figure 1). N. lancensis also existed before N. lethaeus (Figure 1): 
Description (p. 17):
it is also important to note what Zanno and Napoli didn't agree with. One of the biggest objections that I received was the caudal count for Nanotyrannus. I originally postulated that the total caudal count was 25. I got this number from Cope (1869), who said that Dryptosaurus' total caudal count was about 25 (p. 102). I even used pictures of NCSM 40000 to try and get an accurate caudal count, and it still came to about 25. I now know that the count of 25 was based on an incomplete caudal series for the Dryptosaurus holotype. Zanno and Napoli (2025) said that that caudal count for NCSM was 35. I was wrong. My apologies. However, the two scholars stated that this caudal count is still less than Tarbosaurus' (41) and Tyrannosaurus' (40-45). The shorter caudal count is still an autapomorphy for Nanotyrannus 
(Nanotyrannus Traits are Not Ontogenetic, para. 3). The caudal count can be seen in Figure 2:
Description (pp. 17-18):
Second, from what I can tell, Zanno and Napoli said that their "MP typology" didn't agree with lumping Dryptosaurus into Nanotyrannus. Alternatively, they stated that Dryptosaurus and Appalachiosaurus were "the earliest diverging nanotyrannids," (Implications of Nanotyrannus Validity, para. 4). They also stated 
that Dryptosaurus and Appalachiosaurus were nanotyrannids in the Phylogenetic Position of Nanotyrannus section (para. 2). You can see this in Figure 6. Nanotyrannus is called an eutyrannosaurian in the Systematic Paleontology section (pp. 3-6). All-in-all, Nanotyrannus was an eutyrannosaurian alongside Dryptosaurus and Appalachiosaurus. It also had a shorter caudal count compared to the tyrannosaurini taxa Tyrannosaurus and Tarbosaurus

I have been through a lot since I posted my own abstract back in 2022. Now, we have undeniable proof that Nanotyrannus was a distinct taxon and was related to Dryptosaurus. We have two adult specimens now (CMNH 7541 and NCSM 40000). Longrich and Saitta (2024), and Paul (2025b), were correct in stating that Nanotyrannus was an eutyrannosaurian alongside Dryptosaurus and Appalachiosaurus.

I have to personally thank my friend "Luke" from Instagram. For years now, he gave support to my hypothesis on Nanotyrannus. He has proven to be a good friend. I did feel like giving up, especially after what happened in 2023, but he helped to keep me motivated. Now, the fruits of that labor have paid off positively. I'm forever indebted to you, my friend. 

Despite our different opinions, I want to give a shoutout to some people: Sebastian Dalman for all the help, advice, and motivation; to Dr. David Martill for the motivation; to Dr. Holly Woodward, Christopher Brochu, Professor Thomas Holtz, and Joshua Smith for answering my questions; to Dr. Philip Currie for having an open mind; and finally, to Dr. Robert Bakker and Peter Larson for their consistent support of the validity of Nanotyrannus

Links:

Zanno and Napoli (2025) (Abstract):
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-025-09801-6

Egan (2025):
https://phys.org/news/2025-10-nanotyrannus-dueling-dinosaurs-fossil-rewrites.html

Longrich and Saitta (2024):

https://www.mdpi.com/2813-6284/2/1/1

Paul (2025b):

https://mapress.com/mz/article/view/mesozoic.2.2.1

Cope (1869) (P. 102):

https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/39852079#page/108/mode/1up
YouTube. Skeleton Crew. We Ended the Greatest Debate in Paleontology...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5EB6zcrCOU&t=123s


Update (11/18/25):
My friend "Luke" notified me that Dr. Andrea Cau posted a positive FaceBook post, on 11/3/25, about my 2022 abstract online. He mentioned that my hypothesis for "synonymy" between Dryptosaurus and Nanotyrannus "would require a detailed analysis," but he did seem to support part of my hypothesis because it "could reconciliate the fossil record since it does not need a long ghost lineage for Nanotyrannus." He also gives mathematical data showing the similarities in the arm proportions for Dryptosaurus, and Nanotyrannus:

He wrote a blog post concerning the matter as well. He did his own phylogenetic test for Nanotyrannus, modifying the one from Zanno and Napoli (2025). The results of Cau's chart positioned the Nanotyrannus specimens as a sister taxon to Dryptosaurus aquilunguis (Cau, 11/3/25, para. 1-4). Here is his phylogenetic chart test:
As if that wasn't interesting enough, Cau mentioned my 2022 abstract. He stated that the idea of possible synonymy at the genus level, but not at the species level, "is intriguing, but requires a more detailed comparison than the one present in the abstract," (para. 5):
He noted that the arms of the two taxa "share a very peculiar combination of forelimb proportions." If investigated further, this could potentially "be evidence of a Late Cretaceous clade distinct from Tyrannosauridae." Cau finishes his post by lending his support on the Appalachia immigrant hypothesis, mentioned by me and Zanno and Napoli (2025), which would help to solve the "ghost lineage" problem for Nanotyrannus.

Well, this is a positive surprise! Thank you, Dr. Cau. I want to say that I have updated my opinion since I first wrote my abstract in 2022. I do not lump Nanotyrannus into the species Dryptosaurus aquilunguis anymore. Today, I go with Nanotyrannus/Dryptosaurus lancensis. As for N. lethaeus, I go with Nanotyrannus/Dryptosaurus lethaeus. However, I am still perfectly fine if these two taxa are just sister taxa within Eutyrannosauria. If you want to read my original abstract, along with my 2023 updated version, the links to them are below.

Links:
Cau (11/3/25):
https://theropoda.blogspot.com/2025/11/nanotyrannus-un-dryptosauridae.html?m=1

Cau's FaceBook post:
https://www.facebook.com/100063662642597/posts/pfbid0dRnvP1TGeddFuHXWAgRfzpU95TLhbBt64frBVQbydJ8YRpfnTVCpHnmDDC9aBL9ul/?
My 2022 abstract (V1):

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/363046827_Nanotyrannus_is_Dryptosaurus_An_Abstract

-2023 update (V2):

https://www.academia.edu/96574784/Nanotyrannus_is_Dryptosaurus_An_Abstract


Update (3/28/26):
Woodward et al., (2026) studied the growth cycle of Tyrannosaurus. They also included the Nanotyrannus specimens "Jane" and "Petey," but they included them in the species Tyrannosaurus rex (Abstract: Results; Table 1) However, the authors noted that "Jane" and "Petey" didn't fit inside the other growth curves of the other Tyrannosaurus specimens. They insisted that their results do not confirm, nor deny, Nanotyrannus being a valid taxon. They're not even sure if "Jane," and "Petey," should be categorized together (Abstract: Results; Discussion: Problematic specimens; Conclusions, para. 4; Conclusions: Addendum; Figures 4-5). Alternatively, it seems that the results suggests that "Jane" and "Petey" were probably not juvenile Tyrannosaurus specimens after all (Stevenson, 2026, What Happens Next, para. 2) (Barras, 2026, The young. T. rex hypothesis, para. 13).  

Figure 4 (Woodward et al., 2026):

Stevenson (2026) (What Happens Next, para. 2):
Barras (2026) (The young. T. rex hypothesis, para. 13):
The paper is long, but what the authors seem to be stating is that they initially believed that "Jane" and "Petey" were just T. rex but now they're not too sure. They seem to suggest that the two specimens didn't fit within the Tyrannosaurus rex growth curve, but they do not want to state that they did not fit within the genus Tyrannosaurus altogether. They mentioned Zanno and Napoli (2025), and stated that the two specimens, and NCSM 40000, belonging to the genus Nanotyrannus was "a possible explanation" (Woodward et al., 2026, Conclusion: Addendum). 

In summation, this study suggests that "Jane" and "Petey" do not fit with the Tyrannosaurus growth curve. This matches previous studies on the Nanotyrannus specimens.

Links:
Woodward et al., (2026):

https://peerj.com/articles/20469/
Stevenson (2026):

https://www.newsweek.com/t-rex-study-rewrites-scientists-know-11376452
Barras (2026):

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2519003-the-shocking-fossils-that-show-t-rex-wasnt-the-king-of-the-dinosaurs/

Monday, June 30, 2025

(News) Paul (2025) Said That Nanotyrannus Was an Eutyrannosaur!

Ah, Gregory S. Paul. Possibly the most famous paleo-artist to ever live. His 1988 book Predatory Dinosaurs of the World was the inspiration for Michael Crichton to write Jurassic Park (1990). Yet, he is known as being a notorious lumper, and is mocked ceaselessly for it. However, when someone is right you have to admit that they are. He recently had a paper published detailing the validity of the tyrannosauroids in the late Maastrichtian of North America. He concluded that there are three Tyrannosaurus species in the late Maastrichtian (T. rex, T. imperator, and T. regalis from Paul et al., 2022), and that Nanotyrannus is a valid taxon and an eutyrannosaurian.

This is a long paper (59 pages), so I'm just going to focus on the Nanotyrannus information. If I missed something, I'll add it to the post later on. It should be noted that Paul (2025) is the published version of Paul (2022) (preprint). Both versions are linked below. I will also link "Stygiovenator" into Nanotyrannus for now until I believe that it is a separate taxon. I'm down for having multiple tyrannosauroids in the late Maastrichtian of North America, but I want to be careful.

Nanotyrannus (and "Stygiovenator") skulls (Paul, 2025, p. 119 Figure 10):
The first skull is the holotype CMNH 7541 (adult), the second is "Jane" (subadult), and the third is "Bloody Mary" (age uncertain). I also noticed that Paul called them "nontyrannosaurid tyrannosaur(o)id skulls."

First, Paul (2025) said that Nanotyrannus (and "Stygiovenator") was an eutyrannosaurian and not a tyrannosaurid (p. 94 Figure 1; p. 117; p. 118 Figure 9; pp. 120, 126, and 128-129). I wrote my abstract for Academia saying the same thing towards the end of 2024, so it's good to see someone else say that as well. Second, Paul stated that Dryptosaurus shares “a close relationship to the long armed TT-zone baso-eutyrannosaurians,” (p. 120). He mentioned that Nanotyrannus (and "Stygiovenator") had “dryptosaur style” arms. This has been “widely discussed online” as well (p. 128). I don't want to toot my own horn, but I wonder if that was a reference to me, my friend "Luke," and others who've made that connection between Nanotyrannus and Dryptosaurus? Anyways, Paul continues to state that Nanotyrannus (and "Stygiovenator") and Dryptosaurus could potentially form a clade, but the fragmentary nature of the Dryptosaurus specimens should be put into perspective before making a clear decision on this (p. 128). Despite that, I think that Nanotyrannus and Dryptosaurus do form a clade. The best part about this is that Paul stated that some of the Nanotyrannus (and "Stygiovenator") specimens could potentially be Dryptosaurus aquilunguis, or be a species of Dryptosaurus (p. 128). I stated this in my abstract back in 2022! I recommend Nanotyrannus/Dryptosaurus lancensis myself nowadays, and I stated this in my 2024 abstract calling Nanotyrannus an eutyrannosaurian. Paul cited Griffin et al., (2024), which stated that the Nanotyrannus holotype CMNH 7541 was a fully-grown adult (p. 124). Finally, Paul said that the two landmasses that made up North America during the Cretaceous (Laramidia and Appallachia) reconnected during the Maastrichtian. This would've allowed the eutyrannosaurs of Appalachia to interact with the tyrannosaurids of Laramidia (p. 127). I stated this in my 2022 abstract as well.

Paul acknowledging the online discourse surrounding the hands of Nanotyrannus (and "Stygiovenator") and Dryptosaurus (p. 128):
Nanotyrannus (and "Stygiovenator") and Dryptosaurus could form a clade, and some Nanotyrannus (and "Stygiovenator") specimens could potentially belong to Dryptosaurus (p. 128):
Third, Paul stated that the arms of the Nanotyrannus (and "Stygiovenator") specimens exclude them from being lumped into Tyrannosaurus. Actual juvenile, and adult, Tyrannosaurus specimens possess arm and manus bones that are shorter than the arm bones of Nanotyrannus (and "Stygiovenator"). Paul said that this physical trait links Nanotyrannus (and "Stygiovenator") to the eutyrannosaurian clade, which originated and immigrated from the East (Appalachia). Therefore, Tyrannosaurus' arms didn't shrink during ontogeny. This is also the case in the growth series of Tarbosaurus/Tyrannosaurus bataar and Gorgosaurus, which means that the more derived tyrannosaurids didn't have their arms shrink during ontogeny (pp. 118-120; p. 118 Figure 9; p. 121 Figure 11). The humerus in Nanotyrannus (and "Stygiovenator") is short, but the lower arm and manus are long (p. 120). This is also characteristic in the arm of Dryptosaurus aquilunguis (Brusatte et al., 2011, pp. 1, 5, and 46-47). Paul concludes that the arms of young Tyrannosaurus specimens were smaller than the adults' (p. 126). 

Arms of Tyrannosaurus and Nanotyrannus (and "Stygiovenator") (p. 118 Figure 9):
The adult Tyrannosaurus specimens MOR 980 and FMNH PR 2081 ("Sue") have longer hands, and humeri, than the younger specimen UCRC PV-1. Meanwhile, the two hands of Nanotyrannus (and "Stygiovenator") on the right are longer than all three Tyrannosaurus specimens on the left and middle.

Fourth, Paul used the young Tyrannosaurus specimen BHI 6439 in his paper (p. 96; p. 116 Figure 8; p. 117, 120-121, and 126). It's been a long time since anybody even referenced the specimen, but Paul actually used it in his paper! Not only that, he used "Baby Bob" (pp. 96, 121, and 126)! I know that's gonna be a huge criticism, but I admire Paul's guts to use those specimens. He even criticized the exclusion of such specimens on p. 128. I understand the points-of-views for both sides of the argument regarding this specimens, but both BHI 6439 and "Baby Bob" are in reputable institutions (Field Museum of Natural History in Chicago for BHI and University of Kansas/KU in Kansas for "Baby Bob") and have been used in previous peer-reviewed publications before. Therefore, I believe that they should be used more often. Paul uses BHII 6439 and "Baby Bob" to demonstrate that the tooth counts, and tooth morphologies, of Tyrannosaurus do not change over time. They're consistent throughout the animal's lifetime (pp. 125-126). I also mentioned this on the blog before, so this is also pleasing to see stated again. Then again, Napoli (2024) (preprint) also disputed the tooth-loss theory as well. In summation, Tyrannosaurus didn't lose teeth or change tooth morphology, nor did its hands shrink as it grew older. Its ontogenetic growth was similar to that of Tarbosaurus', and other tyrannosaurids.

I do have one complaint, aside from "Stygiovenator," T. regina, and T. imperator possibly being valid. Paul lists KUI 56375 as being a juvenile T. rex (p. 116 Figure 8; p. 117). However, I remember this specimen being changed to being listed as Nanotyrannus. The maxilla of this specimen matches the morphology of Nanotyrannus as well, so I'll place it in Nanotyrannus for now.

Young T. rex specimens BHI 6439 (B) and "Baby Bob" (D) dentaries (p. 116 Figure 8B and D):
The maxilla of KUI 56375 is C. Notice how the maxilla is identical to the other Nanotyrannus (and "Stygiovenator") maxillae in E-I. 

In conclusion, this is the second paper (after Longrich and Saitta, 2024) to state that Nanotyrannus is an eutyrannosaurian, alongside Dryptosaurus aquilunguis. Heck, Paul (2025) even said that some specimens of Nanotyrannus (and "Stygiovenator") could potentially be Dryptosaurus! All of this information, along with Griffin et al., (2024) and Napoli (2024) (preprint), demonstrates that Nanotyrannus/Dryptosaurus lancensis is a distinct taxon from Tyrannosaurus. Also, this means that the ontogeny of Tyrannosaurus wasn't as extreme as previously believed. The animal had a normal tyrannosaurid ontogenetic growth curve.

Links:
Paul (2025):

https://mapress.com/mz/article/view/mesozoic.2.2.1

Paul (2022) (Preprint):

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.08.02.502517v1.full

-V2 (PDF):

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.08.02.502517v1.full.pdf

Longrich and Saitta (2024):

https://www.mdpi.com/2813-6284/2/1/1

My post on Griffin et al., (2024) (Abstract):

https://psdinosaurs.blogspot.com/2024/10/news-nanotyrannusdryptosaurus-lancensis.html

Napoli (2024) (Preprint):
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.10.25.620216v1
My 2022 abstract:

https://psdinosaurs.blogspot.com/2023/02/nanotyrannus-is-dryptosaurus-abstract_10.html
My 2024 abstract:

https://psdinosaurs.blogspot.com/2024/12/nanotyrannus-as-eutyrannosaurian.html


Extra:
10/3/25:
I was notified by my friend "Luke" that a recent paper was mentioned in the YouTuber Ben G. Thomas video that said that the Tyrannosaurus specimen "Sue" has a tooth socket in its maxilla that was closed. This shows that Tyrannosaurus lost teeth as it matured. Paul (2025) mentions this paper in his Supplementary Materials (Nanotyrannus not a juvenile). This paper is Voris et al., (2025). Paul said that "This is contradicted by the multiple lines of evidence against significant tooth reduction in reptile ontogeny, tyrannosaurids included, cited in the main text that are not addressed by Voris et al., (2025)." Voris et al. also stated that Nanotyrannus' characteristics are juvenile ones. This was also mentioned by Ben G. Thomas. Paul said that the Nanotyrannus specimens were not juveniles, which makes that statement false (Nanotyrannus not a juvenile). Also, CMNH 7541 has an EFS in its hyoid (Griffin et al., 2024), so we have an adult specimen for Nanotyrannus. Napoli (2024) (preprint) also stated that Nanotyrannus, Tyrannosaurus, and crocodilians, didn't lose teeth as those two taxa matured. I agree with Paul that Voris et al., (2025) are incorrect in saying that Nanotyrannus' characteristics were due to the specimens being juveniles. I tried to access Voris et al., (2025), but it's blocked behind a paywall. 

Paul's comments on Voris et al., (2025) (Supplementary Materials, Nanotyrannus not a juvenile):
Links:
Ben G. Thomas' Video (YouTube):

https://youtu.be/v1gKWxoSjHI?si=pIXwZlpCiDkjeTtl
Voris et al., (2025) (Preview only):

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/392596951_A_new_Mongolian_tyrannosauroid_and_the_evolution_of_Eutyrannosauria

Sunday, October 27, 2024

(News) Nanotyrannus holotype was an adult (Griffin et al., 2024)!

Update (12/5/25):
Full paper has been released:

Griffin et al., (2025):
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adx8706?fbclid=PAVERFWAOgC4FleHRuA2FlbQIxMABzcnRjBmFwcF9pZA8xMjQwMjQ1NzQyODc0MTQAAaeDc5JF0qycTqEA749YCOkRehMLbusYoDsHTA2XL-zYcYq3ANzssLHjTatoNg_aem_bnEV9_2W5YRextcMPVcdTA
My blogpost on the paper:
https://psdinosaurs.blogspot.com/2025/12/news-nanotyrannus-holotype-cmnh-7541.html

Nanotyrannus/Dryptosaurus lancensis holotype CMNH 7541 (Dalman et al., 2018, p. 135 Figure 15):

One of the biggest critiques against Nanotyrannus/Dryptosaurus lancensis being a valid taxon was that all the specimens were apparently juveniles. As a result, they must've been juvenile Tyrannosaurus rex specimens because no juvenile T. rex specimens have been discovered. However, it has been stated numerous times now that most of the N./D. lancensis specimens were actually slow-growing individuals that were close to maturity, and not fast-growing juvenile T. rex specimens. Now, we have an actual adult N./D. lancensis specimen and it was hiding in plain sight the entire time: CMNH 7541!

CMNH 7541 is the holotype specimen of N./D. lancensis. For the longest time, people thought that it was a hatchling at 8 years of age (Erickson et al., 2006, Supplementary Materials, p. 13) (Carr, 2020, Figures 2 and 12). Some people even labelled the specimen as a nomen dubium (Paul, 2022, p. 67 [Preprint]). Now, it turns out that the real age of the specimen was almost double of that! Griffin et al., (2024), an abstract from SVP 2024, studied the hyoid of CMNH 7541, along with other extinct and extant animals. The hyoid of CMNH 7541 revealed that the specimen was about 14 years old (14 LAGs "at minimum" were present in the hyoid), along with extensive (Haversian) remodeling and secondary osteons within the bone itself. The best part was that an EFS marker was found within the "outermost cortex" of the hyoid. The authors concluded that, although they're not throwing out the possibility that CMNH 7541 couldn't have been a T. rex, the best conclusion based on the evidence is that CMNH 7541 was a distinct taxon of "tyrannosaurid" that was "fully grown," (Abstract [SVP, 2024, pp. 232-233]).

Griffin et al., (2024) (SVP, 2024):
P. 232:
P. 233:
The EFS, or External Fundamental System, indicates that an individual was mature at the time of death. Neither the 13-year old N./D. lancensis specimens BMRP 2002.4.1 ("Jane"), or the 15-year old BMRP 2006.4.4 ("Petey"), had the EFS in their limb bones (Woodward et al., 2020, p. 4). Neither does "Zuri," but "Zuri's" growth was slowing down and wasn't a juvenile despite being "at minimum 12-13 years old when it died." "Zuri" also had extensive Haversian remodeling in its bones as well (Griffin, 2014, Abstract). Both "Jane" and "Petey" were also slowing down in their growth, and they didn't fit in the Tyrannosaurus growth trajectory pattern (Jevnikar and Zanno, 2021, Abstract [SVP, 2021, p. 151]) (Longrich and Saitta, 2024, pp. 38-39). Longrich and Saitta (2024) also said that "Zuri" "was apparently near full size when it died," (p. 39). CMNH 7541, although being 14 at least, has the EFS present in its hyoid (Griffin et al., 2024, Abstract [SVP, 2024, pp. 232-233]). It seems that N./D. lancensis aged extremely quickly, and died young. Other basal tyrannosauroids that did something similar were the basal pantyrannosaurian Dilong (Xu et al., 2004, p. 680), and the eutyrannosaurian Raptorex (Sereno et al., 2009, p. 419; Supplementary Materials, p. 2). This is interesting, since I believe that Nanotyrannus/Dryptosaurus lancensis was also a basal eutyrannosaurian. Dryptosaurus aquilunguis, and Appalachiosaurus/Dryptosaurus montgomerensis, were also eutyrannosaurians (see Delcourt and Grillo, 2018).

This is amazing! I contacted Mr. Griffin back in 2021 regarding "Zuri." He was leaning towards N./D. lancensis being a juvenile T. rex at that time. I was doing so as well, even though I had my doubts. Now, his work is helping to demonstrate that the opposite is true. He actually helped to find an adult N./D. lancensis! Congratulations to him, and his team!

We finally have an adult Nanotyrannus/Dryptosaurus lancensis!

Links:
Griffin et al., (2024) (SVP, 2024, pp. 232-233):

https://vertpaleo.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/2024_SVP_Program_Final3.pdf

Woodward et al., (2020):

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338331660_Growing_up_Tyrannosaurus_rex_Osteohistology_refutes_the_pygmy_Nanotyrannus_and_supports_ontogenetic_niche_partitioning_in_juvenile_Tyrannosaurus

Jevnikar and Zanno (2021) (SVP, 2021, p. 151):

https://vertpaleo.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/SVP_2021_VirtualBook_final.pdf

Paul (2022) (Preprint):

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.08.02.502517v1.full

-V2 (PDF):

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.08.02.502517v1.full.pdf

Longrich and Saitta (2024):
https://www.mdpi.com/2813-6284/2/1/1
Griffin (2014):
-Abstract:
https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Using-Osteohistology-to-Determine-the-Taxonomic-of-Griffin/149cadc7cd0f9aa4b55d77810a818ab59b040417
-Full:
https://digitalcommons.cedarville.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1136&context=research_scholarship_symposium
Xu et al., (2004):

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/8246151_Basal_tyrannosauroids_from_China_and_evidence_for_protofeathers_in_tyrannosauroids
Sereno et al., (2009):

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/26820186_Tyrannosaurid_Skeletal_Design_First_Evolved_at_Small_Body_Size

-Supplementary Materials:

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1177428

V2:

https://d3qi0qp55mx5f5.cloudfront.net/paulsereno/i/docs/09-SCI-Raptorex-SOM.pdf?mtime=1591813921

Delcourt and Grillo (2018):

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0031018218302566

-Phylogenetic chart:

https://images.app.goo.gl/wFSumFkc5vq7WGi28


Update (2/13/26): Nanotyrannus (black) and Tyrannosaurus rex (red) by Andrey Atuchin (2025). Retrieved from Shelton (2025):

Nanotyrannus fans are eating good this year! My friend "Luke" notified me that Dr. Christopher Griffin's paper describing the Nanotyrannus holotype's age has officially been published. I contacted Griffin earlier this year, and he said that the paper was submitted for peer-review. Now, it's out! We officially have two specimens of Nanotyrannus that are adults!

In their 2024 abstract, Griffin et al. said that the Nanotyrannus lancensis holotype, CMNH 7541, had an EFS (External Fundamental System) in its hyoid bone. This determined that the individual was mature when it died, and not a juvenile. Now, Griffin et al., (2025) provides us a figure showing the EFS in the hyoid (Figure 3):

Description:
The EFS is shown in the middle (B), and posterior/caudal (C), portions of the ceratobranchial/hyoid bone. It's possible that the EFS is located at the anterior/cranial area of the bone (A), but it's not entirely certain. The bone is damaged at the front. However, the EFS is present throughout the rest of the hyoid (pp. 2-3, Results: The ontogenetic status of Nanotyrannus lancensis type specimen). Other reptiles, but extant and extinct, contained EFS in their ceratobranchial bones as well. This includes a mature specimen of Coelophysis that has an EFS in its ceratobranchial, and femur. This indicates that the hyoid can be used to determine maturity (pp. 1-2, Results: Ceratobranchial histology in extant reptiles; Ceratobranchial histology in extinct dinosaurs; Figures 1-2).

Extant archosaurs with EFS in their ceratobranchial/hyoid bones (Figure 1):
Description:
Extinct archosaurs/dinosaurs (Figure 2):
Description:
Aside from the maturity of the specimen, the scholars hypothesize that CMNH might be different from BMRP 2002.4.1 ("Jane"), and a SWAU specimen. Heck, it might be another eutyrannosaur taxon. Speaking of, the scholars concluded that Nanotyrannus was an eutyrannosaurian. They laid out two hypotheses: that CMNH could've been a dwarf specimen of Tyrannosaurus, possibly a male; or, the specimen was an eutyrannosaurian. The scholars went with the latter hypothesis (p. 3, Results: The ontogenetic status of Nanotyrannus lancensis type specimen):
The SWAU specimen is the Nanotyrannus specimen SWAU HRS 08438 ("Zuri"). This specimen is immature (Supplementary Materials, p. 19 Figure S9). Another figure showing the EFS in CMNH 7541 can also be seen in the Supplementary Materials (p. 13 Figure S4B):
We now have two specimens of Nanotyrannus that were skeletally mature, or were borderline mature. The first is CMNH 7541 (Griffin et al., 2025), and the second is NCSM 40000 ("Bloody Mary") (Zanno and Napoli, 2025). Nanotyrannus has officially struck back, and it won twice. This makes me wonder if Stygimoloch, and Dracorex, were separate taxa from Pachycephalosaurus? I'm definitely not lumping Torosaurus into Triceratops until further evidence forces me to do so. Other dinosaur taxa previously studied more-than-likely suffered the same fate, so they should probably be re-examined too. Either way, lumping a taxon into a previously established one just because it's not fully grown may not always be the best method. I'm guilty of this myself, which is why I thought Nanotyrannus could've been Dryptosaurus aquilunguis back in 2022. Nowadays, I use the generic names Nanotyrannus or 
Dryptosaurus interchangeably, but I stick to the species names lancensis or lethaeus, for the animal.